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Suby In The House 

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I have purposely not given this post a name or any discriptive comments. WHY?

I would apprecite it if you my lovely veiwers (yes I am buttering you up) would/could come up with a title and a few comments on this image. Why do you think he is in the surroundings he is in? Where is/are his parents?

Looking forward to your comments on this.

Current Reads - "How to Wow, Photoshop for Photography - Jack Davies & Ben Willmore".
                                "Adobe Photoshop CS2 A-Z - Philip Andrews."

Words and photography by Suby

"Ars longa, vita brevis."

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Suby In The House 

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I have purposely not given this post a name or any discriptive comments. WHY?

I would apprecite it if you my lovely veiwers (yes I am buttering you up) would/could come up with a title and a few comments on this image. Why do you think he is in the surroundings he is in? Where is/are his parents?

Looking forward to your comments on this.

Current Reads - "How to Wow, Photoshop for Photography - Jack Davies & Ben Willmore".
                                "Adobe Photoshop CS2 A-Z - Philip Andrews."

Words and photography by Suby

"Ars longa, vita brevis."

comments (33)

  • Reza
  • United States
  • 24 Jul 2006, 00:21
I would name the shot Parenting 101. Seems like a mommy or daddy needs to learn a few things before they have a baby, and leaving a baby in a stroller is one of them.
I'd name it, "Ruffled Pink Socks" It's a girl, in denim - taking a nap in her stroller after probably running around enjoying her outing, wearing herself out. (and her parents who are probably stealing a quite moment on a bench off to the side. -Margie
This is one of those shots that I ask myself "Why", teechnically speaking its an excellent shot, and in that regard it can't be faulted, but that aside, it's quite boring, not dynamic enough for little ol' Skee i'm afraid!
Suby & Sinem: I will answer the why Skeelooo without totally spoiling the little excercise I have here smile

Because the shot tells a story, what the story is is down to the interpretation of the v eiwers, hence the little excercise. I hopefully, if the mood grabs me post a more detailed image tomorrow showing a lot more of the scene/environs which will tell tyhe veiwers if their interpretation is correct or if their thoughts to the image are spot on.

I also to will ask you a question to your question,

WHY NOT? Please post your response up here smile
Suby
opps sorry for the typo!
I saw this shot and thought....well for Suby this is really good. Then I read Skee's comment and thought yeah it is quite boring though if you had a landscape crop and maybe somebody in the background it may have been a bit more interesting.
  • Isowa
  • United States
  • 24 Jul 2006, 02:05
um... what's this? "baby in a stroller"? where are his/her parents? The pic's just there, but at least everyone has something to talk about smile
have you seen my mommy? who leaves their kid alone in a stroller with a cloth over her face? i actually really like this shot. i really like the blurred background, which enables the kid and the stroller to stand out more. i also really like how you can see her hairline, but none of the features of her face.
  • Mia
  • United States
  • 24 Jul 2006, 05:32
I'm guessing you told the parents to "please stand aside while I take this shot of your lov-leh kid" tongue just kidding. But really, where ARE the parents?! And from what I see (and pray isn't) a sort of a cliff (?) behind the stroller. And the denim jacket is ironic. I'd go on with the parent-bashing thing, but moving on...

I'm not a big-shot photographer & am definitely in the learning process, so I hope you don't mind if I may sound tooo critical on this one ('cuz I swear I don't wanna).

Love the BW and nothing could have seriously looked better for this one. And I have to commend you on capturing the typical shopping mom's kid... although this kid's outside in the baking sun.

But the first time I looked at this picture, it reminded me of quite a few ads with babies in strollers. Common? No. Boring? Only if you stare it for too long, heh. It doesn't... now how do I put this. Hm, it doesn't keep your attention.

Overalllllllll, I love your shots & this one's no exception. Different themes everytime, the shots are well thought through, have a story/emotion behind it and you've got a good understanding of post-processing. So much for sounding critical tongue

Ah, I think "Where's my mommy?" or even better, "WTF IS MY MOMMY?!?!?!" could be a funny caption smile ... or not lol
  • incubus
  • Great Britain (UK)
  • 24 Jul 2006, 07:19
hey subster, u seem to be on the ball today on peoples blogs!!! anyways i like the processing on this one.... would have prefared to see the childs face tho sad.... all in all its nice smile
  • Denosha
  • Singapore
  • 24 Jul 2006, 09:02
Eh.. This one is kinda boring I'd have to say. There's nothing out of the ordinary in the shot and I can't even see the baby's face. There's nothing to suggest that the parents aren't standing 1m away, look right at the stroller either.

I'd even have to disagree with Skee about this being a technically excellent shot. 1/4000s @ ISO800 on what looks like a bright sunny day? You could have easily gotten away with 1/500s @ ISO100!

Sorry if I'm rather harsh dude, just keeping it real. :p (My Randy Jackson impression)
Suby & Sinem: All i have to say is wait till you see the shot following this tomoorow, (might actually post it up or post a link to it) It will answer all them questions about where the parents where (God what happened to patience in this world?) Also this was one of the shots I took during my honeymoon and I took these intentional at those settings to see if I could get away with it (although ISO 800 was a mistake smile)

P.s
Unless I have express permission from parents, I do not post the faces of babies, this was a perfect opportunity as the kid's face was covered, a win win situation for me smile Or I could have gone over to the mum, asked her to take a picture of her sleeping tot and also asked her to remove the cover from his face. I will be interested in you telling me how I could have taken this shot, or should I have not bothered taken it?
P.p.s
patience as they say is a virtue, maybe tomorrow addition will make the whole picture look clearer to you who find it boring. smile
  • Denosha
  • Singapore
  • 24 Jul 2006, 09:34
Well, I've always believed that a great shot can always stand alone and tell a story without any accompanying words or other images. Based on this criteria, I personally feel that if I need to see another shot just for this one to even make sense, then why bother taking this shot at the first place? Maybe that is the effect you were going for but for me, it doesn't work unfortunately. It doesn't tell me anything other than the obvious nor does it invite me to think deeper about it.

And btw, I didn't know you were going to post a related shot tomorrow. :p
Suby & Sinem: Ahh, the Denosha man has stood up to the Subster, how can I knock him down for 6? smile I believe that this shot does tell a story as can be seen in the responses receieved on this very blog.

However you do say you need to see another shot to fully understand the image, I do not personally think you do, the shot itself says it all. I had a look at your posts and looked to see if all your shots TELL A STORY. Most of them did and I just had to pick out one that had me rolling in laughter http://denosha.shutterchance.com/photoblog/9087.htm no one needs words for this shot, It speaks for itself. On the flip side we have post http://denosha.shutterchance.com/photoblog/9386.htm all I see is a picture of a bird which you yourself admit is boring but you "really love shooting them"

Ahem bro, so where is the story in the shot? So why bother taking the shot in the 1st place? Or is it because it is a bird shot it does not need to tell a story? Ahhhh, maybe it's because you "really love shooting them" Must I look at every shot I take and decided, what story does it tell. So apart from the fact this shot does not tell a story to you WHY DOES IT NOT WORK? I would like to know.

Suby smile
P.s
I do like a good fight tongue
  • E Etomi
  • Nigeria
  • 24 Jul 2006, 10:15
How come everyone thinks its two parents? It could be just the mom. And she can't be very far away. Shes prob looking for sunscreen in her bag or something lol. Im sure her mind is always on here baby.
  • Jr Prod
  • Switzerland
  • 24 Jul 2006, 10:16
Hum... you already know I prefer usualy genral views to details. But I think, here, in this case, a detail could be interesting.
For the parents... hum, are they preparing the "little brother" ? Just joking wink
  • faustina
  • United States
  • 24 Jul 2006, 10:45
sleeping babies are adorable! My son never sleeps in his stroller, or car seat.

I don't really understand the surroundings, I can't tell where she (she is wearing girly shoes) is at all. and the parents? Maybe you are babysitting and stepped away to take the photo. I have no idea.
  • micki
  • United States
  • 24 Jul 2006, 11:06
Well, I'm certainly not making any prejudgments here on the parenting of this little one. Most times, things are not as they appear, especially on the blogs, I've learned. Can't wait to hear the results tomorrow. (Running on about three hours of sleep, so not feeling creative enough to title this one.)
  • BeakerSt
  • Shutterchance
  • 24 Jul 2006, 13:06
Interesting composition but I think there are a few areas that could have done with more thought.

The point of interest for me is clearly the child asleep in the buggy but the area he is sitting in is grossly underexposed. There appears to be no detail around his head so you've lost the detail around the key focal area.

The jacket appears to be the focussed area which distracts from the subject. It is attracting the eye upwards.

The clods of earth in the foreground also distract as they are so dark and would have benefited from being cloned out. Is it horse dung??

The DOF is too deep for as the fence in the background is also a distraction and the diagonal lines are all over the place distracting my eyes. If you couldn't have done this at the time of taking it would be easy to remedy in processing with a bit of radial blur...never mind, maybe next time.

...and lastly...is there a reason why the buggy isn't in the middle? If that is meant to be artistic positioning, i.e. rule of thirds, I would suggest the subject should be on the right hand line as the buggy wheels would then point into the frame and not out of the frame.

Excellent choice of subject but my feeling is that you could have spent a little more time composing and processing it to get the most out of it...clearly imho.
Suby & Sinem: NOW THIS IS WHY I LOVE BLOGGING :p smile

Simon, thanks for the comment. Will make this short and sweet.

1. Could not get detail of his head(and did not want to as not my kid or anyone I know) opportunistic shot and the Subster had to be sneaky taking this shot.
2.The poor kid was in the sun covered by his parents with a shawl, me not think I could have asked them to remove it could I? Had to take the shot as is smile
3.The environs is actually what this shot is also about, so why clone it so that I could get a shot of a baby in a buggy? NOW THAT WOULD BE A BORING SHOT. What it is? Wait till tomorrow to find out smile
4.To me the DOF is PERFECT, all I did to this shot was convert to monochrome, nothing else. Fine just the way it is, why SHOULD I start getting fancy with radial blur for a shot that I would like the viewer to sort of see what environs the baby is in????
5.Yup there is a reason why the buggy is in the middle, cause when I shot it, I placed the buggy in the middle of my shot, tomorrow's shot will maybe explain why. And DO I ALWAYS HAVE TO FOLLOW RULE OF THIRD IN ALL SHOTS?
6.Did spend a lot of time composition this shot, all of the few seconds he was sat there alone.

Suby
P.s
I really do like a fight tongue tongue tongue
  • tbyte12
  • United States
  • 24 Jul 2006, 13:59
Can you get the following pics from fellower blogger Alakija. Love them and would like to frame them (b&W). Let me know how much it would cost

http://alakija.shutterchance.com/photoblog/9122.htm
http://alakija.shutterchance.com/photoblog/9290.htm
  • Denosha
  • Singapore
  • 24 Jul 2006, 14:14
Heehee. What round is it now?

"However you do say you need to see another shot to fully understand the image, I do not personally think you do, the shot itself says it all." - Ah, I didn't say this. You did. "All i have to say is wait till you see the shot following this tomoorow" & "maybe tomorrow addition will make the whole picture look clearer to you who find it boring". Which is why I said "IF I need to see another shot just for this one to even make sense..."

As to why I said the shot does not work, it's been explained in my first post when I said "There's nothing out of the ordinary in the shot and I can't even see the baby's face." I admit my Sunbird shot is boring and relies wholely on asethetics but I did not claim that it tells a story (as great shots do) as you have here in your reply to Skee.

Anyway, i think this would go on forever unless we agree to disagree. smile Besides, I believe there are many more photos to talk about and I've seen stuff from you that I love too. grin
Suby & Sinem: Okay we agree to disagree bro smile Call it a draw?

Suby
  • Craig
  • London
  • 24 Jul 2006, 14:24
Great shot Suby, not seeing the story at the moment... but that may come smile
  • BeakerSt
  • Shutterchance
  • 24 Jul 2006, 14:31
1. Could not get detail of his head(and did not want to as not my kid or anyone I know) opportunistic shot and the Subster had to be sneaky taking this shot.
- I was talking about the inside of the back of the buggy not his head.
2.The poor kid was in the sun covered by his parents with a shawl, me not think I could have asked them to remove it could I? Had to take the shot as is
- The shawl on his head is the point of the picture therefore I I was not suggesting to remove it. I was suggesting a better exposure of the inside of the buggy where he lies.
3.The environs is actually what this shot is also about, so why clone it so that I could get a shot of a baby in a buggy? NOW THAT WOULD BE A BORING SHOT. What it is? Wait till tomorrow to find out
- What do you mean by environs? I am talking about the clods of earth.
4.To me the DOF is PERFECT, all I did to this shot was convert to monochrome, nothing else. Fine just the way it is, why SHOULD I start getting fancy with radial blur for a shot that I would like the viewer to sort of see what environs the baby is in????
- You posted red which means you think's it's perfect, I am inclined to disagree that's why I have taken the time to give you my opinion.
5.Yup there is a reason why the buggy is in the middle, cause when I shot it, I placed the buggy in the middle of my shot, tomorrow's shot will maybe explain why. And DO I ALWAYS HAVE TO FOLLOW RULE OF THIRD IN ALL SHOTS?
- It's neither in the middle nor well positioned on the rule of thirds. For me it should be slap bang in the centre and it's not even if you think it is. It would appear you have missed the point of my comment here?
6.Did spend a lot of time composition this shot, all of the few seconds he was sat there alone.
- If you shot it raw you could alter the exposure after and you can always adjust composition after so I don't see your excuses as good enough tongue

I'm not seeing the precarious plight of the child that you and others see here? It's not exactly screaming Child Protection at me?

Nice try though wink
Suby & Sinem: This could go on forever bro tongue I really love bloggig.
6.Itwas shot in RAW, why adhjust the comp when I like it the way it is?
5. It's subject where it is placed
4.I REALLY LOVE THE FACT that you disagree and take the time to let your comments know (I really appreciate it) but the Susbter always fights his corner smile
3. Environs/clods of earth, all the same thing in the Substers book smile
2.Was being sneaky taking this shot, I could not do anything about the inside of the Buggy as that was actually that dark, and I liked it just the way it was tongue
1.Refer to 2 smile

Should we call it a draw smile

Suby
P.s
Nice try to
  • barbara
  • Great Britain (UK)
  • 24 Jul 2006, 14:45
gosh...my eyes have just gone a bit funny, trying to read the stuff above...maybe I'll just stick to suggesting a caption...I actually have 2...but I'll stick to the less controversial one..."Avoiding Subs the Pap"
Suby & Sinem: Aunty Barbs, I like that caption, hey read the stuff above, it's fun. Just having a lively debate with the guys. Now this is what blogging is all about smile
  • BeakerSt
  • Shutterchance
  • 24 Jul 2006, 15:06
You do interest me Suby. You invite critique and you post under a red ShMood yet you seem unwilling to listen or accept any view that differs from your own. You are compelled to refute and defend anything you've done regardless of what is commented. I'm happy to still consider us friends but I don't have the energy for such drawn out conversations on one shot on one blog site when there so many impressive shots posted each and every day.
Suby & Sinem: Cause I defend don't mean I don't listen and learn. I think from comments like I have learned. I like to also put my points across. I invite critic so I know what people think, I also am very upront as I always let people know whats on my mind, I am sorry if you find this tidious, but to me it was just some harmless fun on an image smile I REALLY AM SORRY if you feel in any way offended. That was not my intention, I will always enter into contructive arguments and try to learn along the way.

Suby
Title: Asleep Amongst the Horse Turds

He though seems to be a she to me. Note the frilly socks and Mary Janes. Like Nike said it seems to be a commentary on bad parenting. but then again Mom and/or Dad might be just out of the frame. Skee is wrong about it being boring though it is the dung and the pasture in the background that give it context.

If parents want to go riding that badly that they leave little Jenny in the buggy while they do it maybe they should get a sitter.

Background seems a bit noisy though. ISO 800? 1/4000 shutterspeed? It's not an action shot so why?
Suby & Sinem: AmmoPhoto, wow, I am impressed, you are soo bang on the money. Now this is how the shot should be intepreted. With fun and an open mind tongue

Added a bit of noise, not really a noisy shot. Very crisp and clear. ISO was a mistake, did not check the camera before shooting (bad Suby) the fast shutter speed was to see if I could get away with it. Experiment you see smile
Very cute - Another fugitive moment - Fine
  • Sinem
  • Milton Keynes, UK
  • 24 Jul 2006, 17:37
I have spent like the last ten minutes (okay, I am not the world's fastest reader; hey, at least I can blame it on neing left-handed and having dyslexic tendencies!) reading all the critique. Now, some say the shot is boring cause it has no story. BORING? NO STORY? I'd like to ask, in particular Skee and Denosha and Jide, who decides whether a shot is boring or not? I might find a shot that wows about a hundred other people boring because it just doesn't appeal to me. These judgements are all subjective; we are all welcome on each others' blogs everyday to voice our own personal 'subjective' opinions, but let's not lay it into people for actually standing up for their shots and saying, 'I hear you, bro, but actually, I disagree and here is why....' and so forth. NO STORY? Do all shots have a story? Saying that a shot has no story is at worst (if the shot does indeed have a story)a lack of observation/judgement/brains and slapdash commentary on a hasty journey to visit 'many impressive shots posted each and every day' (Really, some people ought to hesitate more and hurry less), at best (if the story does indeed not have a story) a statement of the obvious of the highest order.

For me, this shot has a story. Comments put up suggesting multifareous titles and offering various explanations as to why this child is in this pram at this moment because... are justification enough that it has a story. The following shot, as Denosha seems to have failed to realise, will simply provide an answer to the riddle not complete the story.

Some shots make you think, some don't, as simple as. I really don't know why, rather than trying to appreciate, some folk post comments that aim only to challenge? This is a blog whereby we can learn from our mistakes and improve our art. If it is a red sh mood, the best you can do is provide 'constructive criticism', not an invitation to a ten-round battle of wits. Suby has as much a right as any other to explain or justify his choices, that is not to say he is asking for a slinging match. Do please stop trying to get your manly egos out there.

Okay, done with my rant. I ain't putting a smiley face or anything cause half the time they are being used to only tone down what is being said, and that's the last thing I'd want to do.
  • Laurie
  • United States
  • 24 Jul 2006, 18:07
Sorry I haven't been around, weekend company and technical diffuculties kept me away.

Seems like a few people are saying "bad parenting", but since there is only about 1-1 1/2 feet showing on either side of the shot, it doesn't say that to me. The parents or caregiver could be just out of the frame. Just because they aren't behind the stroller doesn't mean they aren't right there. The child appears to be sleeping and the blankie near her face could be her comfy and just fell there after she fell asleep. They could be at a park of some sort, and the child may just be napping after a hard days play. I have allowed my children to nap in the stroller. If we were out for the day away from home and they were tired, they would sleep in the stroller or wherever they happened to be. Doesn't mean the parents are bad, just means the child is tired and needed a nap. I also don't want to assume that the parents had the child in the sun for long or without sunscreen.
WTF is goingon here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess this is what ART is about....the drama!!!!!!

Well done Suby!
  • timmybomb
  • Vancouver, Canada
  • 24 Jul 2006, 21:28
Wow, that was quite the read! I think the only complaint I have about this photo is the slight off-centeredness (is that a word?). I'm sure you wanted to include the dung on the right, but perhaps you could have included just a bit more space on the left in order to balance the photo. Having said that, I'm sure you there wasn't any more empty space to the left of the child.

Two other little niggles: the stroller's wheels are pointing out of the frame, which leads the eyes away from the subject; and the kids face is covered up. These are things that can't be helped. The kid isn't yours, and I'm pretty sure the parents would be very unhappy with you if you suddenly walked up and adjusted things to improve your composition. Unfortunately, as photographers we are usually stuck with whatever the situation hands us. The truly great photos are often a result of fantastic luck, when all the elements of visual design are available in one space, just waiting to be photographed.

As for the story in this photo, I would love it if tomorrow's photo reveals a horse's rear end hovering just to the right, having just deposited the dung beside the stroller.
Hm, was thinking abit about it but couldn't really come up with a good title, but looks like someone was in a hurry to leave. What about "Enough is enough" ? ;-)

Cheers!
  • deji77
  • United Kingdom
  • 25 Jul 2006, 00:14
Liking this a lot. Lovely b&w and tones.
  • atunbi
  • United Kingdom
  • 25 Jul 2006, 04:36
I salute you sir. The tones are out of this world.
  • wale
  • Great Britain (UK)
  • 25 Jul 2006, 22:32
I must have laughed when i first saw it. A name??? In our local language, you know how some one says, I'm coming, that's what first came to mind so on that note I'll call it "Mo mbo!!!"

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